Transcript: Discovering Your Unique Calling Leads to Deeper Fulfillment at Work // Kelly Kannwischer, Younique, Future Church Co.

The Flourishing Culture Podcast Series

“Discovering Your Unique Calling Leads to Deeper Fulfillment at Work // Kelly Kannwischer, Younique, Future Church Co.“

November 29, 2021

Kelly Kannwischer

Intro: Are you clear on what God has called you to be and to do? Are your team members in jobs that reflect their special calling? In today's episode we discuss how you can understand your unique calling so that you can experience a deep sense of purpose and meaning in your life.

Al Lopus: Hi, I'm Al Lopus, and you're listening to the Flourishing Culture Podcast, where we help you create a flourishing workplace. The problem employers are facing today is that more of our employees are quitting than ever before. Some people are calling this the great resignation. And now with millions of open jobs, how can churches, Christian non-profits, and Christian-owned businesses face this tidal wave of resignations while attracting new, outstanding talent? And we know that having a flourishing workplace with fully engaged employees is the solution. I'll be your guide today as we talk with a thought leader about key steps that you can take to create a flourishing workplace culture.

So, now let's meet today's special guest.

As a leader, how do you equip the people on your team to thrive? Helping people understand how they are uniquely designed by God is just part of the process. Then, you want to match people's abilities to the needs of your organization, and getting the right people in the right places is a key to having your employees experience what we call life-giving work, which is a key to a flourishing organization.

Today, I'm delighted to welcome Kelly Kannwischer, and she's the CEO of Younique and the co-founder of the Future Church Company. Hi, Kelly, and welcome to the Flourishing Culture Podcast.

Kelly Kannwischer: It’s a great privilege to be here. Thanks for inviting me.

Al: Great, Kelly, and we're really looking forward to our conversation.

Today we're going to talk about how people follow a path to their calling. But first, share with us your own path. How did you end up as the CEO of Younique, and what have you learned in the process of walking through your own life plan?

Kelly: It's definitely been a roundabout journey. My husband has a very straight journey, an A-to-B journey, and I have a very roundabout one, which I think is one of the things that we love to talk about, and the calling and process, as it looks differently for everyone.

So my husband and I met in seminary. We were both students at Princeton Theological Seminary back in the mid ’90s, and he took a call to serve a church right out of seminary. And I actually thought I would teach, so I waited a little bit and wound up going into consulting, mostly because I needed a job. But it turned into a place where I really found that I enjoy coming alongside other organizations, particularly Christian ministries, and helping them to really live into their mission. And that just started trajectory, during which time I actually met Will Mancini, and Will not only worked with our church, the church my husband was leading at the time, but Will and I wound up working together in the consulting space over the years. And so when we wound up moving to Atlanta in 2016, where my husband took a call to serve a church here in Atlanta, Younique was in a formation stage, we started talking about it, and that's how we came together. And along with Dave Rhodes, the other co-founder, Younique and the Future Church Company, we decided to get this ministry out there. So that's what happened.

Al: Well, thanks. That's great, Kelly. And I do want to clarify to our listeners, Younique is a book as well as an organization that provides training resources to help people create their own life plans. And we know, as followers of Jesus, we're called to love God and love our neighbor. Some of us might associate the idea of calling with a more specific calling to be a missionary or to be in ministry, but not necessarily in the regular workforce. So talk about the idea of special versus common calling, as you guys describe it.

Kelly: We definitely do want to create a distinction between your job, which is important, the work that you do, and your calling. We would talk about calling as the one special assignment that God has for you that only you can do. And we get the biblical centeredness of this out of Ephesians 2:10 and the idea that God has created us. You are His poem, His workmanship. You are His masterpiece, a one of a kind and that He has prepared in you good works for you to do. And we believe that's knowable, we believe that’s nameable, and then it goes through your whole life, out of which work your job, your career, becomes the vehicle to which you're living out your calling. And so it’s that calling that we want to get to and the calling that Christ has for us in our lives.

And it is still different than general calling, which I think in general, our churches are really good at helping us to live into, our general kind of worship together. We're called to serve together. We are called to love God's word, to know God's word, to study God's word, to pray for each other, to pray for the world. All of these are really good things. But here's a question. What's the one thing that God did when He created you, Al? What’s the one thing that you and only you alone can do?

We were leading a group of people through this process of discernment, and about halfway through the process, one of the people that was going through it just started praying. He was in his early 60s, and I asked him what he was feeling in the moment. And he said out loud, “I just realized I've been living somebody else's call for 30 years.”

Al: Yeah, yeah.

Kelly: I think our heartbeat is to help people to discover what that calling is earlier in life so they can live into it, enjoy it, and make that impact that they can make with their lives.

Al: Well, Kelly, you’re just bringing up something that I think about, and that is when I was in college, I thought maybe I'd go into the ministry track myself, but I thought that I needed a calling to go into ministry, and I hadn't received anything that felt like was a calling. And then one morning, just as I was waking up, I clearly hear that voice in my head, “Al, I want you to be a Christian in business,” and that started a long business career. But we're going to talk about something that's even a deeper calling than that, as we get into it. So that's just a framework, as I think back on that.

Thanks for the insights. Let's go even more specific about the Younique vision journey. Walk us through a high level of what you have as five steps as people walk through this journey from a clarity spiral, as you call it, to a sweet spot. I'm an old tennis player. I know what a sweet spot is on a tennis racket, but I'm curious to hear how you describe sweet spot, and then a vision frame. And I've heard—we'll talk about vision frame for churches, but I'm really anxious to hear how you describe it. So tell us a little bit about this five-step process.

Kelly: Yeah. The first step, the clarity spiral, is our way of talking about life design is really a skill. It's not a one-time event; it's not a program; it's actually a set of competencies that we build to be able to ask the question, what's God saying to me? And then, what am I going to do about it? And the idea of the spiral is that, honestly, we feel like we go around and around in life, and we kind of ask ourselves the same questions, or we come up against the same types of obstacles or frustrations. And the idea of the spiral is a little bit like a mountain. When you scale a mountain, you go around and around, but at each level you get more perspective. You get a higher vantage point, and you have more understanding and more vision. So the clarity spiral is our way of talking about this being a lifelong process, and we need to develop the skills for it.

And then the sweet-spot tool is where we get started. And the sweet-spot tool is simply naming, but there's something really important, we call it your two-word one thing that's at the center of three questions. First question, what fuels me? What fuels me? We call this passion. And you may have heard the advice, “Hey, go follow your passion.” It's really bad advice because passion actually develops over time. We often find clues to our passion, what fuels us, in our story. So for example, if you've had a big event in your story and that has set you into a place where you have a passion for or fuel to serve a certain type of people or something that happened to you, we can see that develop. So we want to ask the question, what fuels us? We call that passion.

The second thing we're looking at is, what am I best in the world at? What am I uniquely gifted to do or have talents for? I like to say the same thing about that question that you're asked, “Hey, what do you want to be? because you can be anything you want to be when you grow up.” It's actually a total lie, right? I'm five-foot, 200 pounds. It doesn't matter how badly I want to be the starting center for the Dallas Cowboys or the Seahawks, Al. It just doesn't matter. Like, I know that's not going to be my story. And that's not a bad thing. I think oftentimes we waste a lot of energy because we have envy or we want gifts that God didn't give us, and we miss the opportunity to really leverage the gifts God does give us. And so that second question, what am I best in the world at? What are my gifts, what are my talents, and how can I develop those and really appreciate those and enjoy them?

And then the third question is, where is my impact the greatest? Where is my impact the greatest? We call that context. And it really just acknowledges that there are two things that we want to pay attention to, which is, one, who are the types of people that bring out the best in me? What types of people bring out the best in me? And what types of places, contexts, like large organizations or small organizations or, like you were talking about, whether it's the church or the marketplace.

But when we really appreciate that not every context is going to be the one in which we have our calling, then we can get to answer these questions. What fuels me? What's my passion? What am I best in the world at? What’s my abilities? And where is my impact the greatest, the types of people and/or the types of environments where I'm at my best? And then we do a lot of work in those three questions, and we bring them together in a Venn diagram to look at where they intersect, and we call that intersection at the very center of those three things your two-word sweet spot. So it's a one-thing sweet spot that we articulate in two words. So, my two words are empowering moment. So that is the sweet-spot tool.

Then, what we do is we jump to the personal-vision frame, and that is the idea that we can name things about us that stay fairly static for us in our lives, and they're there to help us to make decisions and to know where to step forward. So on the one side of the frame, as we call it, our life-call statements. So that's where we articulate our calling, what God’s put us on Earth to do. Mine, personally, is I really do believe that God put me on the Earth to glorify Him and to serve others by converting hidden potential into deployed passion. That's my calling.

Al: Yeah.

Kelly: On the other side of the frame, we call it our life core values. These are our four values. So we’re answering the question there, why do we do what we do? What are our deep convictions that we care about? We have four life core values.

On the top of the frame, we're going to answer the question, when? When are we successful? That side of the frame is our life score. We redefine success in terms of what the Bible says is how we're winning with our lives, if we're living on mission. So that's a really great tool.

And then on the bottom of the frame is our strategies. So that is answering the question, how are we going to live this out? How am I called right now to step into my calling? Those are our life steps.

So, what is it I'm called to do? Why do I do it? When am I successful? How am I stepping into that today? are the four sides of the vision frame for us. And we articulate those in words.

And then, in the center of the frame is our fourth master tool, which is answering the question, where? Where's God taking me right now? And a lot of people enter the life-planning process because that's the question they're asking. What am I supposed to do next? Where is God taking me? And it's really actually difficult to answer that question if you don't back up a little bit and do some of this other work on, “Hey, what's my sweet spot? And what’s my calling? And what do I really care about right now?” And then, we can articulate the center of that frame. We do that with a three-year image; four one-year objectives; a singular 90-day goal; and four now rhythms, weekly or daily rhythms that keep us fueled for the journey.

And then our fifth and final tool is what we call our life-making cycle. It's really a disappointment if we have an incredible plan with God but we don't walk it out, we don't actually live into it and refresh it. And we all know things happen, and so there's times in which we ask the question, “Lord, what are You saying to me?” And what He's saying is we need to make a pivot. Well, what am I going to do about it? We got to refresh our life plan. We need to make some changes or to respond to what the Holy Spirit’s doing in our lives, which goes back to the beginning, that clarity spiral. Hey, we just took a loop around the mountain. We have new perspective. We are refreshing and dynamically living with God in every step of our lives.

So, those are the five master tools. That's our process, which we always say, you begin but you never end, just getting more clarity and more direction as we go forward in life.

Al: Well, you've just taken us through—I know it's a long process in a very short period of time. So, yeah, clarity spiral, sweet spot, the two words, personal-vision frames.

So, empowering momentum. What does that mean to you, and how do you see that as applied to even your own personal life?

Kelly: Yeah. I find that it doesn't matter what area of my life I'm in, whether it's relationally as a mom—I have two teenage girls, a senior in high school, a junior in high school—as a parent, I really see that where I come alive, where I'm most myself is when I'm empowering momentum to help them be successful on their journeys, getting obstacles out of their way. I am at my best, I'm really living in the person God called me to be when I'm helping other people get spiritually unstuck or I'm helping to fuel something through our church for Kingdom impact. That's my love language. So it could be work. It could be relationally. It could be spiritually. When I get to walk into a room and empower momentum, I leave more energized than when I walked in. It doesn't mean I can always get to do that. It might not be the appropriate moment, but it is that string that runs through all the pearls in my life.

So, let me give you a contrast. My husband's two words are revealing delight. His first job in middle school, in Waco, Texas, where he grew up, was at a magic shop. And he would help stock the shelves and kind of like take care of people at the desk in exchange for being able to learn some of the tricks and be able to have access to the different supplies there at the magic shop. And he remembers in his story the delight on people's faces when an illusion went well and they were amazed.

And today, as a preacher, he really knows, like, I am living in the person that God calls me to when I have the opportunity through the holy act of preaching to bring people to a place where they have that same aha moment with respect to the Gospel, and he can reveal delight. As a parent, he’s always revealing delight, right? He’s bringing in the donuts in the morning unexpectedly, or he, as the spouse, is revealing delight, surprising me, blessing me. We're just going to have some fun. There's going to be some delight.

Al: Hm.

Kelly: So, you can see those are two really different examples—revealing delight, empowering momentum—but once you see it, you realize that it connects all the different aspects of our life together, and it really describes us at our most alive, most fullest.

Al: Yeah. So, for our audience, what are your two words that really describe your purpose? And Kelly, that's the challenge, one of them, isn’t it. Not only discovering and realizing what those words are, but then, keeping it to two words.

Kelly: Yeah.

Al: It's not a sentence. It's not three words. It's two words. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

Kelly: And it’s part of the process. We definitely work with lots of different tools to give you a bank of nouns and a bank of verbs. And through that pressure of thinking about those words, we think we come through this breakthrough of articulation that is really great. Yeah.

Al: Wow. Well, as I said, it's like drinking from a firehose, just all of that combined in a short period. That's fantastic.

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Al: And now, back to today’s special guest.

Well, here at the Best Christian Workplaces Institute, we focus on the components of employee engagement. I mean, that's really one of our key focuses because we believe that culture impacts employee engagement specifically. And we find that one of the keys to engagement is a factor or a key that we call this life-giving work. And we measure the use of, and do people really have an opportunity to use their spiritual gifts and their unique skills in their jobs? And we find that when they do, they feel like they experience that they have meaning and purpose in their life. So how can the Younique life-plan process help someone discover the type of work that they would be fulfilled in doing?

Kelly: Yeah, that's a great question. So, I think there's two sides to that coin. There’s what type of work I enjoy. So we're going to get at that when we get to our abilities, where we have talents, where we have natural proclivities. We're going to get to that when we articulate and name our passion. So when we talk about what fuels me, those are going to be the types of workplaces. And then context, right? What types of environments are where I'm at my best are going to be another place that we start to get clues to that.

But we also don't limit it. We really do believe that your calling can be successfully lived out in different types of jobs, if you will, and different types of industries. Today people change jobs, change industries, way more times than they did a generation or even two generations ago. So we're constantly trying to connect the dots for people on, it's your calling that is then expressed in these different vocational vehicles, and some of which you're going to be a better fit than others. And there's a lot of dignity sometimes in just getting a job. It might not be the most life-giving thing on the planet, but you are being faithful in that moment to provide for your family and do meaningful work. But then, we want to help you design your next step so that you can get to a place where you're more aligned to the person that God has created you to be, to have more vitality in that.

And in doing this work, we like to articulate these things in three ways. We want every single person to name three things: their special calling, their vocational discipleship, and then the ultimate contribution that they're making.

And let me give you some examples of this. So I was working with a health-ed teacher, you know, phys ed. How many of us loved PE class when we were growing up? She says, “Well, you know, I know that I'm created to foster a community where people grow holistically into who they were created to be.” Phys-ed teacher wrote, that named her calling, as I know that. “But vocationally, I commit to learning how Jesus would teach students in a public junior high school to take care of their whole selves. That's my vocation. But ultimate contribution as a disciple? I aspire to raise up a generation of Christ-like health professionals while we develop a center where lower-income people gain shalom in all dimensions of their lives.” Isn't that beautiful?

Al: That's great. Wow.

Kelly: You can see how the special calling and the ultimate contribution could have several different vocational vehicles in the middle of that and still be able to get there.

Let me see if I have another one that's really great. Oh, here's a technology consultant’s special calling. “I know I'm created to help people understand purpose and improve process over and over again.” There's a calling statement. “But vocationally, I commit to learning how Jesus would serve my clients as a technology consultant in my firm.” Ultimate contribution? “I aspire to raise up a generation of Christ-like process-improvement fanatics while I serve as a model of how to steward the most precious resource of creation: time.” So beautiful.

Al: Yeah.

Kelly: Now this is to answer your question about workplace. Like, this is where we're trying to get at, is we want people to name their special calling that is this God-given purpose. The vocational, the vehicle that you're in right now, how are you committing to use that vocational vehicle to learn how to be more like Christ with respect to the competencies we have, the character that we imbue? And then what is this ultimate contribution that I'm making to the larger movement of Christ in the world? And in doing that, man, there's so much joy, so much clarity that comes from that work together.

Al: Yeah. The clarity, really, I can see, will just keep people focused and productive and effective, as you say, making a contribution that's significant. Wow. Yeah, I love it. Just throw it out to our listeners. What's your special calling? You know, what's the vocational vehicle that you're using at this point, or where God has you at this point? I guess is a better way to say it. And then, what's your ultimate contribution?

Well, one of the components of these life plans are the daily or weekly habits, or rhythms, to keep people moving forward. And you've already begun to talk about that. Can you give us some examples of how implementing these action steps, or rhythms, have helped people thrive in their daily lives?

Kelly: Yeah. So one thing we do is we really do adopt the social science of having one goal at a time.

Al: Oh.

Kelly: Right? And we're going to do lots of things, but what we try to help people articulate is one singular 90-day goal. So no matter what else happens, I am going to do whatever it takes in my world to make sure that this one thing gets paid attention to. What we find about that is if we focus on this one thing, it just creates room for lots of things. That one thing that we name can just generate energy overflow for everything else in our lives. But in order to do that, we do help people set four rhythms that they're going to keep. And those are based on making sure that we're living a whole integrated life.

So the American kind of way of life is thinking about our health, our love, our work, and our play, but not at the same time. Like, when we're young, we’re in our 20s, we think about a love. Who am I going to marry? What's my family going to look like? Then, somewhere in our 30s, 40s, 50s, it's all about work. Work, work, work, work, work. And then, hopefully, we live long enough to retire, and then we get to play. But it's really an unhealthy way to live life. We miss out on the ability to really appreciate relationships, experience joy, release creativity when we segment that way.

So we have people name four rhythms that they're going to keep by naming a healthful rhythm, a love rhythm, a work rhythm, and a play rhythm in every stage of our life. Now, they're going to look differently at each of our ages and seasons of life. So a health rhythm could be anything like physical exercise. If it's your spiritual health that you need to pay attention to right now, it could be devotional time with someone else or alone. Doesn't matter. Your love is your relationships. Could be intentionally dating again to a spouse after decades of marriage. It could be time with a child. Your work rhythm could be a way of making a contribution that your boss needs right now. It could be learning or earning a credential. And then your play. How are you going to refuel and spend time with other people in a way that is life giving? I'm a golfer, so on and off, I've had different now rhythms related to how many times I'm going to go to the range each week, to how many rounds I'm going to play with my daughter, who's way better than I am right now at golf. So, you know, it doesn't matter what that play is. We just want to have it as something that doesn't get shut out and then we don't get the rest and rejuvenation that we need to keep about our goals. So health, love, work, play—four rhythms—one in each. And it could be daily or two or three times a week, but some sort of rhythm that keeps us whole, keeps us refreshed.

Al: Yeah. Well, Kelly, I love the idea, I can see the beauty of one goal. I mean, how many times—and we've heard the more goals we have, the less chance of anything actually happening. But yeah, one goal every 90 days. And then four rhythms—the health, love, work, play rhythm. And again, for our listeners, how are those rhythms working for you now? So, wow, these are really great practical ideas to help people in their daily life and beyond.

I know that much of the work at Younique is actually through churches. And share with us how an organization, a Christian business, a nonprofit, or a school can actually use Younique to discover the processes to equip and empower their staff.

Kelly: Yeah. Our heartbeat is for the church, and we want to equip pastors, leaders, ministries to be able to come alongside people and help them name their calling and help them to experience the joy of being in the body of Christ that is for them and for the calling that God's put on their lives. Now, this is integrated because we also want to integrate it. So how is an individual’s special calling participating in the larger calling that you share as a church, as a body? Well, we think the more we observe, the more times that people are confident in their special calling, the more energy they have for the common calling of the church together.

So our heartbeat is for the health of the church. And so what we do is we train leaders in the church to lead people through the Younique process. It's a disciple-making process through creating life plans that help people to release that calling into the world. So we come to you, we train you, and then, we release you to work with your people, and we're here as support. So all of the information on that is at lifeyounique.com. And “Younique” is spelled y-o-u-n-i-q-u-e. Lifeyounique.com.

Al: Life younique, yeah, because you’re not in the makeup business—

Kelly: We are not in the makeup business.

Al: —which I put in “younique” one time, and it didn’t really match with what I was looking for. Yeah.

Kelly: Fair enough, fair enough.

Al: Yeah, yeah. Life younique. I love that, yeah. And I love play on the word “younique” because each one of us is unique.

Kelly: The play on words, too, Al, just to connect the dots, if you’re familiar with Will Mancini’s work, you'll know that his first book was Church Unique and that the primary tool in there is the vision frame. And so this is life unique. Same primary tool, just applied to a person instead of the church as the organization. So if you're familiar, it clicks together very familiarly once you get into it.

Al: Yep.

So, as he gives this process with many different types of people of various seasons of their life, do you see some trends on how people experience the process. For example, are there differences for people in early or mid-career versus later in life, or maybe men versus women, maybe based on types of jobs? You know, what have you seen in terms of trends along those lines?

Kelly: You know, everybody has their own experience with Younique. And if you're in that, what we call a quarter-life crisis—you're 25. You're either newly in the working world or newly graduated from higher education, doesn't matter—you're still establishing yourself, and so these tools really help to focus. Especially today, when there's so many different industries and opportunities available to us, just getting a framework for where you're going to be most alive is really helpful.

Then, when we get to that half life or the 40-, 50-year crisis, the dual crisis that we have, it's one of the ones where we start to align. So now we have some experience, now we have some expertise potentially built up, and now we start to shift from the growth mode through that first half of career into contribution mode. And this is a really helpful process to help us think through that ultimate contribution and either refine it or to be able to name it for the first time if we haven't already.

And then, as we head into our three-quarter life crisis, what we see is it's similar to the first-quarter life crisis, except now we have money. So when you're 25, you don't have a ton of resources, and you're really not quite sure what the next chapter’s going to be. Well, now, as you start to head into 65 years old or so, we're not sure what the next chapter is, but now we have resources. And so people just have a blast with us at that age, going, “Wow, this is amazing. I need to write the next chapter.” So being able to look back at my story, we do a lot of work to interpret your story, design the next chapter, and make the impact that you're called to make. So people have a blast with this at that age as well. So men, women, all life stages can really get a lot out of this toolbox, and especially if you're helping people through the church deliver it, it's just such great fun to get people from different generations in the same cohort to work with because they encourage one another; they share wisdom to one another; they challenge people in ways—like I recently had a group that a person more heading into retirement was feeling a little bit like, “I don't have anything left to offer,” and the 25-year-old is going, “You have everything to offer. Are you kidding?” And just watching the interaction there is just so beautiful. So I would say every life stage, and parents of children, I’ve walked my children through Younique in high school and just a lot of depth, the connection , appreciation for who God’s created them to be and vice versa gives us a whole language to relate to one another more deeply in our family. It's great.

Al: Wow. I love the three stages you just described: the quarter-life process, the half-life process, the three-quarter-life process. Yeah, just thinking about people in each of those situations, or even myself in each of those situations, and how this could really be helpful.

This process of having a life plan to follow is quite helpful to people in discerning where to invest their energy, I'm sure. But let's talk a bit about unexpected parts of life. How are you seeing people with a life plan adapt to circumstances outside of their control? You know, I think we might have been just through this. But maybe a health diagnosis. We've seen that. Or family difficulty. Any of these kinds of unexpected events that come to us in the course of life, how does a life plan help at that point?

Kelly: It’s such a good question. It helps because it reminds us what hasn't changed. When the pandemic hit, it felt like life changed, the world changed. Maybe you get that diagnosis, that health diagnosis, and you feel like your world’s changed. But if you have a life plan, you're immediately reminded, “I have a call. I have a calling. I know what it is. I can name it. And that hasn't changed. God is still Who He said He would be, and God is still my father, and He's with me in this issue He's created me to be. That’s not core values. It’s not these deep convictions that guide me and help me filter information and make decisions. My values are still there. I have taken time to depict, weigh out, what a life well-lived looks like in biblical terms. And regardless of this health thing or that pain, that work thing, my life well-lived looks like is still the same.” So we just have this security. We've taken time to articulate all of this. And probably the image that we have for ourselves three years from now, probably pretty doable, still. You probably still can get to the place that you believe God's leading you to three years from now or one year from now, even. So, what really we're able to say is, so much is still true about you. But you're right, that 90-day goal might need to change now. Those weekly or daily rhythms might need to be adjusted. But, wow, that security, that confidence that comes from having the parts of the frame articulated so they become static—it's like a picture frame you can hold—the picture in the middle might need to be nuanced or, again, when we ask God, “Hey, what are You saying to me? What am I going to do about it? It might be slightly different. But who I am, what fundamentally am in You, Lord, has not changed.” And that just is such a beautiful gift from God that gives you that peace that passes all understanding when we face these big changes.

Al: Yeah. And having and understanding what that is in these transition times, it's really helpful to keep you on the path, isn't it. Yeah.

Kelly: Really is.

Al: Yeah.

Well, Kelly, we've learned so much from you in this conversation. As I look back, just thinking about the five stages, the clarity spiral, the sweet spot, all of those steps along the way, the life map, everything that we talked about, the two words, and how I know that you're connecting with each one of our listeners as to what's important and what do they consider important in their lives. And how I think the Younique book and what you're offering can really help clarify those experience. Your 90-day goal; the four rhythms of health, love, work, and play; making sure that we've got those rhythms defined and working on those in our life, just great insights. And as I look, your website is lifeyounique.com. You mentioned that earlier. And the name of the book is Younique, y-o-u-n-i-q-u-e. You know, is there anything else you'd like to add that we haven't talked about, Kelly?

Kelly: We welcome you to go on and try. We have a free course to get you started if you're interested. It's called a starter kit. Do you want to just try on a couple of these tools for yourself? Feel free. We'd love for you to have those. We also have a great process for high schoolers, Younique Students, the life plan for students. And if you have teenagers, you can just do it right in your own home at your kitchen table. Do it together. It's such a great opportunity to share a common language and to deepen relationships. So there's some samples of that, too, you're welcome to. So, anyway, we at Younique just really enjoy the process of really leaning into the person that God's created us to be and then how we can become the person that Christ has designed us to be through this.

And so, yeah, thanks for having me. Thanks for letting us share, and appreciate the time.

Al: Well, I really look forward to having more and more Christian organizations, Christian-led businesses, churches explore this, because, again, having people in the right jobs makes not only a difference for the people themselves but also those that they work with. And that's a big part. As we call our factor life-giving work is a big factor in organization effectiveness.

So, Kelly Kannwischer, CEO of Younique, I want to thank you for your contributions today. This has been fantastic. And most of all, of course, I appreciate your clear devotion and service to our loving God and helping many live out their God-given purpose in life. Wow. So thank you for taking your time out today and speaking into the lives of so many listeners.

Kelly: Well, thank you for your ministry and all that you do to help people live out their calling in your work. Thanks a lot.

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